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Message  Baptiste.M le Lun 30 Sep - 6:56

Julien dessenne a écrit:in my opinion fairytails should show more types of loves , not only beautiful girl and handsome man , why childrens stories never talk about lgbtq+ ?!confused

what is lgbtq+??????[/quote]

lgbtq+ would mean lesbian, gay, bisecual, trans and more
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Message  GabrielleChapat le Lun 30 Sep - 6:56

Julien dessenne a écrit:in my opinion fairytails should show more types of loves , not only beautiful girl and handsome man , why childrens stories never talk about lgbtq+ ?!confused

what is lgbtq+??????[/quote]

lgbtq+ mean lesbian, gay, bisexual,transexual queer and much much more like asexual or pansexual

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Message  Yohan le Lun 30 Sep - 6:56

You said Princesses are very good for the dreams of little girls but they created problems because little girls feel insecure about their body" or the little girls indentifie herselves in princess with a very unhealthy image of beauty" and others but, when we see the new generation of childrens, I'm not sure we can always say that...
Yes, I'm agree with you when you said to differentiate the princess's world and the real world but, the new generation isn't our generation, when they are 3 years old, they see Disney but when they enter in primery school generaly, they aren't interest by that... They think friends, not Disney. Yes, there are exeptions but 1% isn't a big percentage.
And, yes, I think Disney's movies are stereotypes but it's a imaginairy world of before we. A world where the gender egality isn't exist so it's normal for them.
And, yes, I think Disney's movies are a good idea to see at children 'cause it's good for imagination.


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Message  Admin le Lun 30 Sep - 6:57

Julien, LGBTQ = lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transexual and Queer community
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Message  evedeconynck le Lun 30 Sep - 6:57

Mathilde S a écrit:
Jeanne Dejoye a écrit:I think Princesses are very good for the drems of little girls but they created problems because little girls feel insecure about their body.
I totally agree with you

Princesse's world makes dream little girls, sometime too much. They can lose the notion of the real life...

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Message  J.Roubaud le Lun 30 Sep - 6:58

evedeconynck a écrit:
GabrielleChapat a écrit:it is but it's also really useful for their indepedance queen

But princesses are exposed like being the perfection and little girls want to looks like them to the point of feel bad with their bodies and in their heads.

if we take that for the real princess, it's true.
But if you look to the manequin who works in disney land, it's more harder (especially the one's who does Snow white)

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Message  Jillian lebhar le Lun 30 Sep - 6:58

Mathilde S a écrit:With the fairy tales, the girls don't have a job, stay at home and do anything. But i think the girls can work like a boy.
there are a lot of stereotypes in the fairy tales.
yes in the old version but today they try to make versions more adapted to the new society


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Message  Jeanne Dejoye le Lun 30 Sep - 6:58

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Jillian lebhar a écrit:are you sure that watching fairy tales where heros do nothing but marrying the household is a good idea of ​​inspiration

Well, I agree that in the past, Princesses like Snow White or worse, Sleeping Beauty, were not really great examples of feminism...
But today, I think it's a bit different, with new characters like Brave (Rebelle), Mohana, even Elsa in Frozen...They are strong, independent, and don't need love, or men to exist.

Is it positive? I thought that every human being needs love. I think that making fairytales where men and women don't need each other can be also a bad example and it can lead to bigger "segregation" between boys and girls.

in my opinion fairytails should show more types of loves , not only beautiful girl and handsome man , why childrens stories never talk about lgbtq+ ?!confused
Yes in the pricess and the frog there is a homosexual couple.

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Message  Élisa.D le Lun 30 Sep - 6:58

GabrielleChapat a écrit:
Aleksander a écrit:
Admin a écrit:
Jillian lebhar a écrit:are you sure that watching fairy tales where heros do nothing but marrying the household is a good idea of ​​inspiration

Well, I agree that in the past, Princesses like Snow White or worse, Sleeping Beauty, were not really great examples of feminism...
But today, I think it's a bit different, with new characters like Brave (Rebelle), Mohana, even Elsa in Frozen...They are strong, independent, and don't need love, or men to exist.

Is it positive? I thought that every human being needs love. I think that making fairytales where men and women don't need each other can be also a bad example and it can lead to bigger "segregation" between boys and girls.

in my opinion fairytails should show more types of loves , not only beautiful girl and handsome man , why childrens stories never talk about lgbtq+ ?!confused
is that the problem pale

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Message  arnaudino le Lun 30 Sep - 6:59

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Message  Admin le Lun 30 Sep - 6:59

Yohan a écrit:You said Princesses are very good for the dreams of little girls but they created problems because little girls feel insecure about their body" or the little girls indentifie herselves in princess with a very unhealthy image of beauty" and others but, when we see the new generation of childrens, I'm not sure we can always say that...
Yes, I'm agree with you when you said to differentiate the princess's world and the real world but, the new generation isn't our generation, when they are 3 years old, they see Disney but when they enter in primery school generaly, they aren't interest by that... They think friends, not Disney. Yes, there are exeptions but 1% isn't a big percentage.
And, yes, I think Disney's movies are stereotypes but it's a imaginairy world of before we. A world where the gender egality isn't exist so it's normal for them.
And, yes, I think Disney's movies are a good idea to see at children 'cause it's good for imagination.

I don't exactly agree.
Personnally, I didn't watch cartoons when I was three years old, I was too young, and my parents didn't have cellphones or even Dvd players at that time (no, I'm not THAT old!)
Today it's so easy to find the cartoons whenever and wherever, children are a lot more interested, obsessed even with cartoons today than in the past!
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Message  Mathilde S le Lun 30 Sep - 7:00

evedeconynck a écrit:
Mathilde S a écrit:
Jeanne Dejoye a écrit:I think Princesses are very good for the drems of little girls but they created problems because little girls feel insecure about their body.
I totally agree with you

Princesse's world makes dream little girls, sometime too much. They can lose the notion of the real life...
With fairy tales, the girls no longer trust her, in their bodies... it's sad Crying or Very sad

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Message  Julie.millet le Lun 30 Sep - 7:00

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Message  Ewen le Lun 30 Sep - 7:01

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Message  Baptiste.M le Lun 30 Sep - 7:01

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Message  Admin le Lun 30 Sep - 7:01

J.Roubaud a écrit:
if we take that for the real princess, it's true.
But if you look to the manequin who works in disney land, it's more harder (especially the one's who does Snow white)

OMG yes that's such a HORRIBLE JOB!!!
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Message  Aleksander le Lun 30 Sep - 7:01

Baptiste.M a écrit:
Julien dessenne a écrit:in my opinion fairytails should show more types of loves , not only beautiful girl and handsome man , why childrens stories never talk about lgbtq+ ?!confused

what is lgbtq+??????

lgbtq+ would mean lesbian, gay, bisecual, trans and more[/quote]

So you think tthat children should watch fairytales for example about princess changing her sex or sth like that?

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Message  JuliennnC le Lun 30 Sep - 7:02

Mathilde S a écrit:With the fairy tales, the girls don't have a job, stay at home and do anything. But i think the girls can work like a boy.
there are a lot of stereotypes in the fairy tales.
So thats means is because of the fairy tales that girls don't have job?
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Message  J.Roubaud le Lun 30 Sep - 7:04

There is a question who need an answer : How did snow white survived to apple (without the fact of the magic( please no TGCM))?
Question

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Message  arnaudino le Lun 30 Sep - 7:04

Jillian lebhar a écrit:
Admin a écrit:
Jillian lebhar a écrit: may be but its not the reality

Do we really have to focus ONLY on reality? But that would be so SAD!
but his not prepare children for the real world and after he feels different from what the fairy tales their showed
when you're young it's so cool to read or watch fairytale you can dream all you think and also create imagination in you
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Message  Baptiste.M le Lun 30 Sep - 7:04

Admin a écrit:
J.Roubaud a écrit:
if we take that for the real princess, it's true.
But if you look to the manequin who works in disney land, it's more harder (especially the one's who does Snow white)

OMG yes that's such a HORRIBLE JOB!!!
Yes, I think it totally denaturate the look of the story and of a princess that we have. Everything they do is like "too much" for looks real
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Message  Admin le Lun 30 Sep - 7:04

Aleksander a écrit:
So you think tthat children should watch fairytales for example about princess changing her sex or sth like that?

In my opinion, showing different models of love is a good thing. Change of sex, ect, would depend on the age category for me. You have to be a certain age to be able to understand some things...
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Message  J.Roubaud le Lun 30 Sep - 7:05

Admin a écrit:
J.Roubaud a écrit:
if we take that for the real princess, it's true.
But if you look to the manequin who works in disney land, it's more harder (especially the one's who does Snow white)

OMG yes that's such a HORRIBLE JOB!!!

yeap, that the reality of DIsneyland

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Message  JuliennnC le Lun 30 Sep - 7:05

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Message  evedeconynck le Lun 30 Sep - 7:06

Mathilde S a écrit:With the fairy tales, the girls don't have a job, stay at home and do anything. But i think the girls can work like a boy.
there are a lot of stereotypes in the fairy tales.

Yeah, from appearence the princesses from fairytales are strong, brave and can fight, but the truth is they are exposed as being delicates and they need a prince to save them... That's incensed !

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