Re: The princess problem LLCE 2019

GabrielleChapat Lun 30 Sep - 7:06

Aleksander a écrit:
Baptiste.M a écrit:
Julien dessenne a écrit:in my opinion fairytails should show more types of loves , not only beautiful girl and handsome man , why childrens stories never talk about lgbtq+ ?!

what is lgbtq+??????

lgbtq+ would mean lesbian, gay, bisecual, trans and more

So you think tthat children should watch fairytales for example about princess changing her sex or sth like that?[/quote]

of course, this is life and i think that childrens must be learning that at a young age. Imagine a world with less homophobic minds. clown

Jennifer D Lun 30 Sep - 7:07

Jillian lebhar a écrit:
Admin a écrit:
Jillian lebhar a écrit: may be but its not the reality

Do we really have to focus ONLY on reality? But that would be so SAD!
but his not prepare children for the real world and after he feels different from what the fairy tales their showed

i think the fairy tale should be a mix of reality and fantasy because the girls can take the notion of real life but also can to dream.

**Admin** Lun 30 Sep - 7:07

Jillian lebhar Lun 30 Sep - 7:07

Aleksander a écrit:
Baptiste.M a écrit:
Julien dessenne a écrit:in my opinion fairytails should show more types of loves , not only beautiful girl and handsome man , why childrens stories never talk about lgbtq+ ?!

what is lgbtq+??????

lgbtq+ would mean lesbian, gay, bisecual, trans and more

So you think tthat children should watch fairytales for example about princess changing her sex or sth like that?[/quote]

maybe it can shock our day but the lgbtq community becomes bigger and the new society want to spread all ideas to the childrens

**Admin** Lun 30 Sep - 7:07

Look at all these representations of Snow White.... What do you think is another part of the problem?

MarineB Lun 30 Sep - 7:09

Admin a écrit:
Aleksander a écrit:
So you think tthat children should watch fairytales for example about princess changing her sex or sth like that?

In my opinion, showing different models of love is a good thing. Change of sex, ect, would depend on the age category for me. You have to be a certain age to be able to understand some things...

I'm not really agree for the age category because in a lot of fairytale there are war and it's not shocking anyone

Élisa.D Lun 30 Sep - 7:10

Yohan a écrit:You said Princesses are very good for the dreams of little girls but they created problems because little girls feel insecure about their body" or the little girls indentifie herselves in princess with a very unhealthy image of beauty" and others but, when we see the new generation of childrens, I'm not sure we can always say that...
Yes, I'm agree with you when you said to differentiate the princess's world and the real world but, the new generation isn't our generation, when they are 3 years old, they see Disney but when they enter in primery school generaly, they aren't interest by that... They think friends, not Disney. Yes, there are exeptions but 1% isn't a big percentage.
And, yes, I think Disney's movies are stereotypes but it's a imaginairy world of before we. A world where the gender egality isn't exist so it's normal for them.
And, yes, I think Disney's movies are a good idea to see at children 'cause it's good for imagination.

I don't understand what children of our generation don't like this because, for me, Disney's movies it's for all generation. Crying or Very sad

Anaïs Lun 30 Sep - 7:10

Admin a écrit:Look at all these representations of Snow White.... What do you think is another part of the problem?

we sexualise too much the princess today

Aleksander Lun 30 Sep - 7:10

But it's impossible to make fairytales that are all about equality. To do it we have to do a fairytale with: white, asian, black actors/actresses, with heterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual characteres and where men don't save anyone, but women are strong. Is it really a goal of fairytales?

Baptiste.M Lun 30 Sep - 7:10

Admin a écrit:Look at all these representations of Snow White.... What do you think is another part of the problem?

I think that a character is no more that what the fans make of him, for snow white it's the same, we do the evolve of this princess

J.Roubaud Lun 30 Sep - 7:10

Admin a écrit:
Aleksander a écrit:
So you think tthat children should watch fairytales for example about princess changing her sex or sth like that?

In my opinion, showing different models of love is a good thing. Change of sex, ect, would depend on the age category for me. You have to be a certain age to be able to understand some things...

I agree. You need more maturity to undertstand some story. the harder when you're a kid is "Hundback of Notre Dame". At the starting, you understand that Frollo (the villain) is just a old bad guy, but when you're adult.........it's the ultime **************************************. And the original story of Victor Hugo is really HARDCORE

Jeanne Dejoye Lun 30 Sep - 7:11

Admin a écrit:

I found that this picture is very good because it shaw that princess like snow white is a person like everybody and not a perfection .

Julien dessenne Lun 30 Sep - 7:12

Aleksander a écrit:
But it's impossible to make fairytales that are all about equality. To do it we have to do a fairytale with: white, asian, black actors/actresses, with heterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual characteres and where men don't save anyone, but women are strong. Is it really a goal of fairytales?

Is very difficult to bring together all this caracter

Jillian lebhar Lun 30 Sep - 7:12

do you think that the old versions are worse or better than the new versions ?

Yohan Lun 30 Sep - 7:13

Admin a écrit:

I don't exactly agree.
Personnally, I didn't watch cartoons when I was three years old, I was too young, and my parents didn't have cellphones or even Dvd players at that time (no, I'm not THAT old!)
Today it's so easy to find the cartoons whenever and wherever, children are a lot more interested, obsessed even with cartoons today than in the past!

Yes, not all saw a Disney movies or cartoons at 3 years old, i did a hyperbola when I wrote but yes, now, all have a cellphone and a dvd player. But, now, children take the parents's cellphone and play with, they don't see a movie like 101 Dalmatians or others. They only know Fortnite, or Clash Royal. So, yes, it's easy to find cartoons but they not interrest by them...

MarineB Lun 30 Sep - 7:14

Aleksander a écrit:
But it's impossible to make fairytales that are all about equality. To do it we have to do a fairytale with: white, asian, black actors/actresses, with heterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual characteres and where men don't save anyone, but women are strong. Is it really a goal of fairytales?

they make a lot of disney with stereotypes why they coudn't change and made only fairytale about equality

Yohan Lun 30 Sep - 7:15

Élisa.D a écrit:
I don't understand what children of our generation don't like this because, for me, Disney's movies it's for all generation.

Yes but, now, they all are on Fortnite, Clash Royal or a other popular game. They not interest by our fairy world.

GabrielleChapat Lun 30 Sep - 7:15

Jeanne Dejoye a écrit:
Admin a écrit:
I found that this picture is very good because it shaw that princess like snow white is a person like everybody and not a perfection .

they all are representing so bad ahah ,one of the snow white is holding a gun this is not real life sksk cyclops

Jeanne Dejoye Lun 30 Sep - 7:15

Julien dessenne a écrit:
Aleksander a écrit:
But it's impossible to make fairytales that are all about equality. To do it we have to do a fairytale with: white, asian, black actors/actresses, with heterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual characteres and where men don't save anyone, but women are strong. Is it really a goal of fairytales?

Is very difficult to bring together all this caracter

Yes its difficult but it's possible to have progressively in each film.

Aleksander Lun 30 Sep - 7:16

Yohan a écrit:
Admin a écrit:

I don't exactly agree.
Personnally, I didn't watch cartoons when I was three years old, I was too young, and my parents didn't have cellphones or even Dvd players at that time (no, I'm not THAT old!)
Today it's so easy to find the cartoons whenever and wherever, children are a lot more interested, obsessed even with cartoons today than in the past!

Yes, not all saw a Disney movies or cartoons at 3 years old, i did a hyperbola when I wrote but yes, now, all have a cellphone and a dvd player. But, now, children take the parents's cellphone and play with, they don't see a movie like 101 Dalmatians or others. They only know Fortnite, or Clash Royal. So, yes, it's easy to find cartoons but they not interrest by them...

It's because of parents giving phones and computers to very young kids. It's not the children's fault

Aleksander Lun 30 Sep - 7:16

Jeanne Dejoye a écrit:
Julien dessenne a écrit:
Aleksander a écrit:
But it's impossible to make fairytales that are all about equality. To do it we have to do a fairytale with: white, asian, black actors/actresses, with heterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual characteres and where men don't save anyone, but women are strong. Is it really a goal of fairytales?

Is very difficult to bring together all this caracter
Yes its difficult but it's possible to have progressively in each film.

But is it really the goal of fairytales?

evedeconynck Lun 30 Sep - 7:17

Jillian lebhar a écrit:the fairytales is useful for the developpement

Useful for what ? I think little girls don't accept themselves anymore because they always want to be someone else and compare themselves to the others everytime

J.Roubaud Lun 30 Sep - 7:17

Baptiste.M a écrit:
Admin a écrit:Look at all these representations of Snow White.... What do you think is another part of the problem?
I think that a character is no more that what the fans make of him, for snow white it's the same, we do the evolve of this princess

just look at some fanart of super hero.

camille guiot Lun 30 Sep - 7:17

Jillian lebhar a écrit:
Admin a écrit:Look at all these representations of Snow White.... What do you think is another part of the problem?

that denounces the perfection of the princess they are sexualize beautiful submisive ( i talk about the old versions )

I don't see the report between princess and sexual things

Diane.htr Lun 30 Sep - 7:17

Yohan a écrit:
Admin a écrit:

I don't exactly agree.
Personnally, I didn't watch cartoons when I was three years old, I was too young, and my parents didn't have cellphones or even Dvd players at that time (no, I'm not THAT old!)
Today it's so easy to find the cartoons whenever and wherever, children are a lot more interested, obsessed even with cartoons today than in the past!

Yes, not all saw a Disney movies or cartoons at 3 years old, i did a hyperbola when I wrote but yes, now, all have a cellphone and a dvd player. But, now, children take the parents's cellphone and play with, they don't see a movie like 101 Dalmatians or others. They only know Fortnite, or Clash Royal. So, yes, it's easy to find cartoons but they not interrest by them...

I'm disagree with you Yohan, if you pay attention to what the children are watching at the morning or even in the car : cartoon, disney moovies and cartoons again

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