The princess problem LLCE 2019
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Élisa.D
Jennifer D
camille guiot
Mathilde S
lola0609
Jeanne Dejoye
J.Roubaud
Anaïs
Julien dessenne
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Re: The princess problem LLCE 2019
It's very unpleasantYohan a écrit:Yes but, now, they all are on Fortnite, Clash Royal or a other popular game. They not interest by our fairy world.Élisa.D a écrit:
I don't understand what children of our generation don't like this because, for me, Disney's movies it's for all generation.
Élisa.D- Messages : 7
Date d'inscription : 28/09/2019
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Aleksander a écrit:Yohan a écrit:Admin a écrit:
I don't exactly agree.
Personnally, I didn't watch cartoons when I was three years old, I was too young, and my parents didn't have cellphones or even Dvd players at that time (no, I'm not THAT old!)
Today it's so easy to find the cartoons whenever and wherever, children are a lot more interested, obsessed even with cartoons today than in the past!
Yes, not all saw a Disney movies or cartoons at 3 years old, i did a hyperbola when I wrote but yes, now, all have a cellphone and a dvd player. But, now, children take the parents's cellphone and play with, they don't see a movie like 101 Dalmatians or others. They only know Fortnite, or Clash Royal. So, yes, it's easy to find cartoons but they not interrest by them...
It's because of parents giving phones and computers to very young kids. It's not the children's fault
i am okay with aleksander the kids have technologie far too soon
Julien dessenne- Messages : 9
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she talk about the picturescamille guiot a écrit:I don't see the report between princess and sexual thingsJillian lebhar a écrit:Admin a écrit:Look at all these representations of Snow White.... What do you think is another part of the problem?
that denounces the perfection of the princess they are sexualize beautiful submisive ( i talk about the old versions )
Anaïs- Messages : 8
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to the other and also to the iconic women of fairytalesevedeconynck a écrit:Jillian lebhar a écrit:the fairytales is useful for the developpement
Useful for what ? I think little girls don't accept themselves anymore because they always want to be someone else and compare themselves to the others everytime
Ewen- Messages : 3
Date d'inscription : 30/09/2019
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It's children who ask parents to have cellphones and parents accept 'cause they want to don't unpleasant at children...Aleksander a écrit:
It's because of parents giving phones and computers to very young kids. It's not the children's fault
Yohan- Messages : 8
Date d'inscription : 29/09/2019
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and there you create the problems you can find on instagramevedeconynck a écrit:Jillian lebhar a écrit:the fairytales is useful for the developpement
Useful for what ? I think little girls don't accept themselves anymore because they always want to be someone else and compare themselves to the others everytime
J.Roubaud- Messages : 15
Date d'inscription : 30/09/2019
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We don't need to put all that types of character in ONE story but it can be a great thing to integrate some of different sexualty and etnic group in the stories, a bit by a bit don't be pressedJulien dessenne a écrit:Aleksander a écrit:
But it's impossible to make fairytales that are all about equality. To do it we have to do a fairytale with: white, asian, black actors/actresses, with heterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual characteres and where men don't save anyone, but women are strong. Is it really a goal of fairytales?
Is very difficult to bring together all this caracter
Baptiste.M- Messages : 16
Date d'inscription : 28/09/2019
Age : 20
Re: The princess problem LLCE 2019
Julien dessenne a écrit:
i am okay with aleksander the kids have technologie far too soon
Yohan a écrit:It's children who ask parents to have cellphones and parents accept 'cause they want to don't unpleasant at children...Aleksander a écrit:
It's because of parents giving phones and computers to very young kids. It's not the children's fault
Yohan- Messages : 8
Date d'inscription : 29/09/2019
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we are a bit in this generationYohan a écrit:It's children who ask parents to have cellphones and parents accept 'cause they want to don't unpleasant at children...Aleksander a écrit:
It's because of parents giving phones and computers to very young kids. It's not the children's fault
J.Roubaud- Messages : 15
Date d'inscription : 30/09/2019
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normaly she doesn't survive about that but snow white its the main character of the story so without the fact of magic its impossible for the righter to kill her main characterJ.Roubaud a écrit:There is a question who need an answer : How did snow white survived to apple (without the fact of the magic( please no TGCM))?
arnaudino- Messages : 13
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i was talking about the picturescamille guiot a écrit:I don't see the report between princess and sexual thingsJillian lebhar a écrit:Admin a écrit:Look at all these representations of Snow White.... What do you think is another part of the problem?
that denounces the perfection of the princess they are sexualize beautiful submisive ( i talk about the old versions )
Jillian lebhar- Messages : 14
Date d'inscription : 30/09/2019
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camille guiot a écrit:I don't see the report between princess and sexual thingsJillian lebhar a écrit:Admin a écrit:Look at all these representations of Snow White.... What do you think is another part of the problem?
that denounces the perfection of the princess they are sexualize beautiful submisive ( i talk about the old versions )
Actually yes, on many the different representations, Snow White is clearly sexualized, and represented as a fantasy... That's not necessarily better than a weak princess
Re: The princess problem LLCE 2019
I'm agree with you, the parents of the generation are, most, irresponsiblesJulien dessenne a écrit:Aleksander a écrit:Yohan a écrit:Admin a écrit:
I don't exactly agree.
Personnally, I didn't watch cartoons when I was three years old, I was too young, and my parents didn't have cellphones or even Dvd players at that time (no, I'm not THAT old!)
Today it's so easy to find the cartoons whenever and wherever, children are a lot more interested, obsessed even with cartoons today than in the past!
Yes, not all saw a Disney movies or cartoons at 3 years old, i did a hyperbola when I wrote but yes, now, all have a cellphone and a dvd player. But, now, children take the parents's cellphone and play with, they don't see a movie like 101 Dalmatians or others. They only know Fortnite, or Clash Royal. So, yes, it's easy to find cartoons but they not interrest by them...
It's because of parents giving phones and computers to very young kids. It's not the children's fault
i am okay with aleksander the kids have technologie far too soon
Élisa.D- Messages : 7
Date d'inscription : 28/09/2019
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do you think that the new versions are worse or better than the old versions ?
Jillian lebhar- Messages : 14
Date d'inscription : 30/09/2019
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Yes, i'm agree, we are the beginning of this new generation, we are enter this 2 generations.J.Roubaud a écrit:we are a bit in this generationYohan a écrit:
It's children who ask parents to have cellphones and parents accept 'cause they want to don't unpleasant at children...
Yohan- Messages : 8
Date d'inscription : 29/09/2019
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It's because of parents giving phones and computers to very young kids. It's not the children's fault[/quote]
It's children who ask parents to have cellphones and parents accept 'cause they want to don't unpleasant at children... [/quote]
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yes but is the education of children, they want all they see but they don't have all. the parents must educate their children
It's children who ask parents to have cellphones and parents accept 'cause they want to don't unpleasant at children... [/quote]
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yes but is the education of children, they want all they see but they don't have all. the parents must educate their children
Julien dessenne- Messages : 9
Date d'inscription : 29/09/2019
Re: The princess problem LLCE 2019
another times, another mindBaptiste.M a écrit:We don't need to put all that types of character in ONE story but it can be a great thing to integrate some of different sexualty and etnic group in the stories, a bit by a bit don't be pressedJulien dessenne a écrit:Aleksander a écrit:
But it's impossible to make fairytales that are all about equality. To do it we have to do a fairytale with: white, asian, black actors/actresses, with heterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual characteres and where men don't save anyone, but women are strong. Is it really a goal of fairytales?
Is very difficult to bring together all this caracter
J.Roubaud- Messages : 15
Date d'inscription : 30/09/2019
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ahhh yes sorryAnaïs a écrit:she talk about the picturescamille guiot a écrit:I don't see the report between princess and sexual thingsJillian lebhar a écrit:Admin a écrit:Look at all these representations of Snow White.... What do you think is another part of the problem?
that denounces the perfection of the princess they are sexualize beautiful submisive ( i talk about the old versions )
camille guiot- Messages : 4
Date d'inscription : 30/09/2019
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They should create character with more imperfection, like this it's now possible and less dangerous to identifie ourself to theirJ.Roubaud a écrit:and there you create the problems you can find on instagramevedeconynck a écrit:Jillian lebhar a écrit:the fairytales is useful for the developpement
Useful for what ? I think little girls don't accept themselves anymore because they always want to be someone else and compare themselves to the others everytime
Baptiste.M- Messages : 16
Date d'inscription : 28/09/2019
Age : 20
Re: The princess problem LLCE 2019
Aleksander a écrit:Jeanne Dejoye a écrit:Yes its difficult but it's possible to have progressively in each film.Julien dessenne a écrit:Aleksander a écrit:
But it's impossible to make fairytales that are all about equality. To do it we have to do a fairytale with: white, asian, black actors/actresses, with heterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual characteres and where men don't save anyone, but women are strong. Is it really a goal of fairytales?
Is very difficult to bring together all this caracter
But is it really the goal of fairytales?
i think you don' t understand what i was thinking about , fairytails just could ad gay couples for exemple , you see this evolution as something huge but it's not.
GabrielleChapat- Messages : 16
Date d'inscription : 29/09/2019
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#no commentJillian lebhar a écrit:do you think that the new versions are worse or better than the old versions ?
J.Roubaud- Messages : 15
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Jillian lebhar a écrit:do you think that the new versions are worse or better than the old versions ?
I prefer the old version because I was a children at that time, it was my childhood. Oksana
Anaïs- Messages : 8
Date d'inscription : 28/09/2019
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MarineB a écrit:Aleksander a écrit:
But it's impossible to make fairytales that are all about equality. To do it we have to do a fairytale with: white, asian, black actors/actresses, with heterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual characteres and where men don't save anyone, but women are strong. Is it really a goal of fairytales?
they make a lot of disney with stereotypes why they coudn't change and made only fairytale about equality
But it's not equality. Equality doesn't mean that fairytale must be about everyone. There are to much countries, social groups etc. Fairytale with black actress it's not more about equality than a fairytale with white or asian actress. When make a film we have to choose what and who we want to show. The only one possibility to make all people equal in fairytale, movies, is to make all 7,5 milliards people to play in them. Everyone is different
Aleksander- Messages : 13
Date d'inscription : 30/09/2019
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evedeconynck a écrit:Jillian lebhar a écrit:the fairytales is useful for the developpement
Useful for what ? I think little girls don't accept themselves anymore because they always want to be someone else and compare themselves to the others everytime
I agree with Eve, beacause today all the little girls want to be like a princess and they are complexed very young... But ALL the girls in the world are BEAUTIFUL!!!
Mathilde S- Messages : 5
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could you comment plz? i want to knowJ.Roubaud a écrit:#no commentJillian lebhar a écrit:do you think that the new versions are worse or better than the old versions ?
JuliennnC- Messages : 6
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